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Digital Proof, our pet project, has launched! For the best explanation, just go there. It’s all very simple.

Now, what we would love to see: people linking to it so people realise they should not be using IE, people submitting as many articles on why one should not use IE to make sure people are convinced and, of course, have IE’s market share drop even more!

(Be a champ and mail one of us the solution to the disappearing <input>s in the comment form when someone hovers a link in the comments! I’ll mention you! :P) Thanks to Jeroen that problem is solved.

*grin* And Jonathan was right, if this gets /.ed, it’ll cost us 200GB of data transfer. So just link to it on your own site, thank you.

On another note, please continue telling me what resolution you’re on. It’s of importance for the redesign (magic word!).

Posted on 2005-01-05 at that ungodly hour.

41 comments

  1. Charles Martin 2005-01-05 #1

    Dang it... I swear I’ve seen that problem before, but I can’t for the life of me remember the solution.

  2. Charles Martin 2005-01-06 #2

    All I can find so far is if you remove the background property from under a:hover, the problem stops.

  3. Bojhan 2005-01-06 #3

    Good to see it is online, I hope this website can give a good selection of articles. Keep it updated!

  4. Seth Thomas Rasmussen 2005-01-06 #4

    Bitchin’... fuel for the fire, indeed. Keep on ‘em!

  5. Mathias Bynens 2005-01-06 #5

    Yeah, I really like that tagline. The site itself is great too of course :)

    What’s with that input problem? I can’t see anything disappearing! Really! Is it on IE, you mean?

  6. Mathias Bynens 2005-01-06 #6

    Ah right, that problem. (IE of course, duh!) I’m experiencing the same problem on my own site, when smilies are used in comments and people hover over a link, them smilies just scroll down. Funky. Another reason to make the switch.

  7. Ben de Groot 2005-01-06 #7

    I just wrote about IE losing market share to Firefox yesterday! But of course, you knew that already... Even so, I thought I’d submit the entry, maybe you find it useful (it has some nice links).

    As to your problem: have you tried fixing things with position:relative? That seems to help in various mysterious cases in IE...

  8. Turnip 2005-01-06 #8

    Yeah, I really like that tagline.

    Feels pleased with self :D

  9. Mark Wubben 2005-01-06 #9

    Okay, it looks really good. Nice work on that.

    But please.

    Isn’t Browse Happy good enough? Or Get Firefox? Or just the general buzz about alternative browsers? Sure, I hate it when I see people are still using IE, but I think this is a waste of time, guys. How are you going to reach all those millions of IE users? Put up an advert in the New York Times? Oh wait, you are going to put links to it on your weblogs! Which only people who don’t use IE read. Who are already telling everyone they know not to use IE. Have you got any clue about achieving your goals?

    Sorry for burning you down like this, but this really is useless. I’d rather have you had spent the time on redesigning this weblog.

    Now sue me,

  10. Mark Wubben 2005-01-06 #10

    Okay so I’m talking to Rob on IM about this and he tells me the tone in my reply was completely wrong... well, so be it. Can’t change it anymore. It is my opinion though, would love to hear other thoughts on it.

  11. Charles Martin 2005-01-06 #11

    Although I agree with Rob on the tone of the comment, I agree with some of Mark’s questions. Exactly what makes DigitalProof.org unique from the others mentioned by Mark? Other than being able to make comments about those articles linked and rate them, some of them are already linked on those other websites.

  12. Turnip 2005-01-06 #12

    Okay Mark, I understand what you are saying, and half expected someone to say something along those lines.

    The idea is not to compete with either Browse Happy or GetFirefox. The idea is for it to be a resource to be used in conjunction with them both. For it to be somewhere the IE user can be sent if they are looking for more information. It is meant to be a culmination of all the anti-IE thoughts around the web, nicely organised for the confused newbie. The fact that we don’t recommend browsers is deliberate; we link Browse Happy for that. But we noticed the need for more easily accessible information on the subject, and that is what the site aims to do: be informative.

    We’re not anticipating that this becomes a large scale campaign with millions of uniques a month, we just wanna being doing our part to move the web forward.

  13. Turnip 2005-01-06 #13

    To emphasise what I said a bit more (partly in response to Charles): GetFirefox explains why Firefox is good, we’re explaining why IE is bad, and Browse Happy is more focused on helping IE users choose a new browser -- it doesn’t contain all that much information about why IE is bad.

  14. Charles Martin 2005-01-06 #14

    So basically, the website’s role is to become a respository of links to reliable information sources showing how IE is no longer the proper choice. Have you tried contacting BrowseHappy.com to have your website linked from there? That would seem the next logical step.

    I’m not trying to down the project as much as I wanted clarification of your goals (from your perspective instead of the “mission statement” on the website). :)

  15. Turnip 2005-01-06 #15

    Yeah, that sounds like a good idea Charles, we should do that some time.

    For the record, I wasn’t at all offended by your comment -- I just wanted to clarify things :).

  16. Seth Thomas Rasmussen 2005-01-06 #16

    I understand Mark’s comments completely, and I agree with them on a level.

    However, there is still work to be done, and if this site reaches one person, it was worth the time. As long as it is mostly a casual side/pet project for those maintaining it, I can’t imagine the harm.

  17. John Oxton 2005-01-06 #17

    Just to enter the general banter. I like this idea. I like the fact that you could be bothered to do it in the first place. I like the look and feel, it’s not to geeky and it’s in the minamilst style, right up my street.

    I have no real beef with Mark’s opinions but it does reek to high heaven of elitist standards snobbery. So Zeldman has a blog does that mean no-one else should bother?

  18. Mark Wubben 2005-01-06 #18

    John, that certainly wasn’t my intention (nor do I believe that I am or want to be an elitist standards snob). I’d also like to point out that I’m glad Turnip clarified what the intentions are for the site, I understand it a lot better now. It does have a place, but I’m quite pessimistic about how much effect it will have.

  19. Seth Thomas Rasmussen 2005-01-06 #19

    Who is Zeldman?

  20. Charles Martin 2005-01-06 #20

    Who is Zeldman????

    Heretic!!!! How could you not know???

    :)

    j/k (www.zeldman.com)

  21. Charles Martin 2005-01-06 #21

    Sorry, meant to state that he was one of the early proponents of web standards and his book is considered one of the best resources for learning about web standards.

  22. Seth Thomas Rasmussen 2005-01-06 #22

    I’m sorry, too. It appears my comment was improperly formatted. It should read:

    <joke>Who is Zeldman?</joke>

    ;)

  23. Charles Martin 2005-01-06 #23

    <aolspeak> Me too! </aolspeak>

    :)

  24. Seth Thomas Rasmussen 2005-01-06 #24

    My parser does not understand the &#60;aolspeak /&#62; element... please clarify.

  25. Charles Martin 2005-01-06 #25

    Arrggh... didn’t realize this would accept HTML... thus, I had intended it as follows:

    <aolspeak> Me too! </aolspeak>

    Which is the standard response for most people in an AOL chat room.

  26. Seth Thomas Rasmussen 2005-01-06 #26

    What are you talking about man?? Look right there! That’s how it came out the first time! I was joking... again!

    You must be as tired and spaced-out as I am, today. :)

    P.S. What is AOL?

  27. Rob 2005-01-06 #27

    Guys! Guys.

    Charles, I edited it :P

    Seth. Re-fucking-lax man! ;)

  28. Turnip 2005-01-06 #28

    Pass us the popcorn, Puck.

  29. Seth Thomas Rasmussen 2005-01-06 #29

    Stop fucking with my reality, Rob!

  30. Charles Martin 2005-01-06 #30

    That was the best laugh I’ve had in a while... wait... “What is AOL?”

    Yeah, okay, I’ll give you that one. :P

  31. Jeroen Mulder 2005-01-06 #31

    By applying the Holly Hack, you’ll solve the moving. It will spawn some issues with padding on the left side of the commenting user’s name though.

    /* Holly Hack: Hides from IE5/Mac \*/
    * html ol#comments dl { height: 1%; }
    /* Holly Hack: End Hide \*/

    MSIE just can’t handle the sexyness of nesting of ordered lists and definition lists. :)

  32. Jeroen Mulder 2005-01-06 #32

    Oh, never mind me. Just use this instead smacks head

    /* Holly Hack: Hides from IE5/Mac \*/
    * html ol#comments li { height: 1%; }
    /* Holly Hack: End Hide \*/

    Mucho sorry for ze double post.

  33. Rob 2005-01-06 #33

    Jeroen! You’re amazing! Thanks a lot man.

  34. Turnip 2005-01-06 #34

    Woah, cool. Now I don’t even get to see the bug cause it’ll be fixed before I ever boot Windows again! Great! :)

  35. John Oxton 2005-01-07 #35

    Rob, can you offer me a sponsorship for de-railing your comments?

  36. Rob 2005-01-07 #36

    John, call me about it. We’ll sort this out.

  37. Chu Yeow 2005-01-07 #37

    Nice work! I’m going to link to it in a post if I can remember. I actually read this post in Bloglines and didn’t bother to find out what it was about until I noticed hits from Digital Proof for that Homer Simpson post I made.

    You know, the odd thing is that at my new job, I don’t have an Internet connection, but I do have to test my development work with a browser (it’s a Struts-based Web application). And I use IE, thinking that since I’m not really doing any Real Browsing. And it still sucks! Why? Because I don’t get to use the Web Developer Extension.

    I’m going to have to download all the extensions I need, burn them to disc, and install them on Firefox at work.

  38. Turnip 2005-01-07 #38

    Or better, you could put it on a flash memory stick.

  39. Chu Yeow 2005-01-09 #39

    Problem is, I don’t have one :p (Believe it or not.)

  40. nerkles 2005-01-09 #40

    Hi,

    I like the project, the only thing I’d add is an RSS feed for the list of articles.

  41. Turnip 2005-01-10 #41

    Hi nerkles,

    Today we have set up Subversion and some bug tracking software, which will enable us to develop the site far easier. Other people have mentioned feeds too, and it is in the bug tracker. Keep your ears open :).

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